Obama So Eloquently Says NOTHING To Berlin But Does a Good Job Brown Nosing

While there are very many questionable and somewhat uncalled for remarks (his nose becoming browner than it already is?), I would like to point out that much of the politics surrounding the Berlin Air lift and the fall of the Berlin wall had to do with the US trying to finally put a symbolic rest to the Cold War.

And if you paint the Berliners as simply being "helpless recipients" and that they truly had nothing to do with the fall of the wall, then you surely need to learn a bit more about the circumstances surrounding the Berlin wall.

And I love America as much as the next guy, but to classify the US as such a "giving country" seems to sorely overlook some of its mistakes in both the past and the present time. If we are so charitable and righteous, why have we done nothing about Darfur?

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"trying to finally put a symbolic rest to the Cold War."

Obama was "trying" to make a "symbolic" speech today.
Symbolic does not get it done. And this was symbolic brown nosing.

I saw President Reagan say "tear down this wall" and Russia complied. I know those were Berliners tearing it down. By themselves it would not have happened. Give some credit where credit is do. Obama didn't.

Darfur? Ask the Democratic congress. Anyway the last time I checked Congress was supposed to represent the people of their designated states. And our Senators are supposed to represent their designated states.

So what is the point? If the people want darfur to be taken care of. Start calling your Congressman and he can tell the Senator what his people in his STATE that HE represents want him to represent and cause some action.

Valid point about getting action done in Darfur. However, I recently graduated from a High School in the US, and in my school, there was a massive movement to raise money to donate to the problems in Darfur, and clubs were started with the sole intention of raising awareness of the genocide in Darfur. So either, there is a very large disconnect between the population and those making the decisions, or those who make the decisions are disregarding those who they should be representing. Either way, there is an issue that needs to be resolved.

This may sound slightly nitpicky, but Reagan's words to "tear down this wall" were a "symbolic" call to end the conflict in Berlin, and on a larger scale, to end the Cold War. And as I am sure you will agree, this was effective. So symbolic acts can indeed get things done. :)

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Symbolic with action and SUBSTANCE. Not just words. And it took GUTS to say that at that time. His speech writers and all of his advisers told Reagan not to say What he did.

Big difference in men here in my opinion. Substance and a balloon full of air with "change" written on it. It makes a loud noise when you pop it and is fun. But it is what it is, vanity.

A big movement can be good done right. But first did your school teach you how our government was supposed to work or what it is? I will give you a hint. We are not a democracy.

Just starting a drive or a movement and not understanding how to push the issue correctly only causes chaos and mayhem even rebellion. Which ends up with no true leader. Crusader arrogance.

That is why Hollywood has no impact. They are too arrogant to understand this.

Eggs...

You're forgetting that Obama can't credit us with anything. He has to oppose Bush and those dirty "right-wingers" in order to be relevant. That's what the left wants and that's what they're candidate has to be. Since the "right" gives credit where credit is due, Obama cannot.

And you're right. I've been over the transcript a few times and he really isn't saying anything. A lot of it is just recycled junk from previous speeches he's made and the rest is simply lofty rhetoric and praise for Berliners. He's the best non-substance orator in the Democrat party today.

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Amen... Empty Rhetoric from an empty suit? What can he point to as an accomplishment?

"The 'right' gives credit where credit is due?"

Weakens your argument, since it's clearly not true - at least not in the broad black-and-white frame you've set up here. Both sides are guilty of that particular "sin."

It was not "broad" at all, irving. I was referring specifically to our war efforts. Obama cannot give credit to the U.S. for our accomplishments...the left won't allow it and it undermines his position - that we have not succeeded thus far with the Iraq War.

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"You're forgetting that Obama can't credit us with ANYTHING." But I'll accept that you intended it to be interpreted in the limited context as explained.

Maybe you've missed the comment from eggs (which I was addressing) where he stated that Obama does not give credit to the Reagan administration for the Berlin Wall coming down. I expanded that to our war efforts in general (Cold and Iraq) when I made my response. I think he understood it.

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Obama didn't even go see the troops while in Gemany. That should have been the first stop. This guy is a gutless empty shell. I am sure he was directed not to.

He is a truth bender I believe when using a money excuse to not see our Troops. How can he fix his face to tell this lie. He wants the U.S. to give a "95 billion dollars worth of global poverty taxes to Europe. Against NAFTA my you know what. He just wants to hide it. He reminds me of a cat.

McCain would have went straight to the base where Americans are at in Germany before choosing to give a speech at a famous location and then go to the gym and work out.

Obama couldn't go see the troops. This would mean he supports the American Fighting Man by visiting them. Some are wounded.

I read he went and worked out in a ritzy gym. Hope he got a massage.

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Video of our Soldiers and the people at home. Very honest

Obama's trip is being funded by his campaign. The Pentagon told him that "no media or campaign aides could come along."

From the LA Times--
"Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell cited a military directive that activities "reasonably viewed as directly or indirectly associating the [Defense Department] with a partisan political activity" should be avoided."

I think you really should take KJhack's advice and take off the blinders and try to see both sides of an issue before making your angry statements. Also, Obama telephoned a number of wounded GIs after the visit was called off.

But I think you enjoy ranting too much to even consider seeing both sides of an issue!

He should have gone to see the troops. Obviously he was told not to or was afraid he may not be able to answer the questions that the troops may ask of him.

Idlewild...

You've got to stop making pathetic excuses for this guy. Obama could have easily gone to the hospital as a United States congressman. He could have walked right in to the hospital and visited those troops all day long. The problem for him was that he couldn't make it a campaign photo-op, so he decided to abandon the idea altogether. There is no rule whatsoever that he could not go visit...only that he couldn't visit with all of the cameras and television reporters.

The man (and I use that term loosely) is an embarrassment to this country and can't help but make one poor decision after another.

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I'm not making "excuses" for anyone... I'm looking at both sides of an issue, reading different viewpoints on a story from different sources.

Seeing people called "pathetic," "embarrassment," etc. is the main reason I've largely stopped reading and commenting on the political 'content' on Xomba.

Reading both sides of an issue does not mean you have to pick out certain phrases (excuses) from one's campaign to argue in favor of them...and ignore the fact that Obama could have easily gone to see the troops without all of the media fan-fare. So, yes, the excuse for him to not go was quite pathetic and if that's how he's going to treat our wounded soldiers - as a campaign photo-op or nothing at all - then he certainly is an embarrassment.

The fact of the matter is, Obama didn't go see the troops. Instead, he made a speech to Germans who had gathered for a free concert beforehand and then he decided to work out at a gym - because he couldn't bring his media entourage to the hospital. He made yet another poor decision and now has to make excuses for it - excuses that you willingly gobble right up and parrot as if it can't possibly be anything other than the truth.

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Don't take it personal Idlewild. It isn't about an individual it is about the character of the beast.